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I have another one jesse itzler I've now spent a lot of time with jesse itzler and you know if you think about when you meet people there's sort of think of it like in math terms there's like the y intercept which is where the points the line starts it's like how high up does it start that's usually your expectations or their reputation you know people you know we met like tai lopez and we met the guy from fyre festival right so they're low on the y intercept they you you come in with a extremely negative perception and there's other people who you come in with extremely positive perception of of like are they really as good as it is and then there's the slope of the line from there does it doubt does this slope downward does it slope upward jesse's one of the few people that was I came in with a high expectation and then he's only ever beat it like and I've sent I've been to his house I met his family his kids I've done multiple like kind of events where he came and then he hung out we've done podcasts together like I'm not his best friend I'm not with him all the time but I've every time I'm around this guy I'm like wow he's the real deal holyfield this is really like he lives what he preaches and he's just a genuinely good dude like genuinely there for you and I just haven't been able to detect the normal flaws that come with this sort of stuff whether it's narcissism or it's an extreme self interest and they're money motivated underneath the hood or they're fame motivated or they're really protective of their image or they they kind of have this like weird tendency to like brag or dominate the room or you know things like that he's got none of that shit and I've I've literally asked him I'm like how did you slay the money monster you don't seem you're like you're the only guy in this room that's not just still chasing more more more more more success or how did you you know they were talking about this and you actually have done more than all of them in the room but you didn't say anything he said well I didn't feel a need to like well what do I do I I don't need to prove something I didn't need why did I why would I have needed to do that I was there to learn I wanted to learn I wanted to hear and I was like wow this guy's he is awesome showing up in a great way