The Most Ridiculous Ways People Are Making Money

- June 20, 2025 (9 months ago) • 54:13

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00:00	Shaan Puri	"Alright, Sam, why are we dressed so festive?" "It's Casual Friday, baby — it's Casual Friday. The best stuff is always in the group chat. These are the things I sent in the group chat that I wouldn't post publicly, but I decided, you know what? It's Casual Friday — let's air them out." "Alright, can we do the first one?"
00:21	Sam Parr	The first one — here it is.
00:25	Shaan Puri	Okay, this is a tweet from Dylan. Dylan says, "At long last, any app can be your alarm app. Apple has finally introduced AlarmKit." This refers to the Apple announcement that happened this week, which lets any app have the same privileges as the Clock app. This is long overdue, Dylan. You are absolutely right.
00:42	Sam Parr	Dude, I did not understand this. Is this a joke?</FormattedResponse>
00:44	Shaan Puri	No, this is real. Basically, Apple gives you certain permissions. If you're an app, you can send push notifications, you can use the camera, you can use the GPS. But for a long time, no app could become your alarm app. It couldn't access the same features as an alarm app. Now any app can — you don't just have to use Apple's alarm app. Anybody could build an app for alarm sounds. Small.
01:07	Sam Parr	Understand. So, yeah, this does sound small. Change my mind: why is this important? </FormattedResponse>
01:11	Shaan Puri	So think about it this way: there are like 2 billion people with iPhones. Not every app can address all 2 billion people, but an alarm clock can basically address a billion or two people who actually need an alarm. What happened was, two weeks ago—or a week ago—as an app developer, that was not a category you could be in. Now it's a category you can be in, where there's a billion active users who might want your app, and there has been no creativity and no innovation. The App Store has been out for—so—15 years. A lot of stuff is solved. Camera apps are pretty good. Map apps are pretty good with Google Maps and Waze. Ride‑sharing apps—there are all kinds of apps and there's been tons of innovation. But this has been basically artificially blocked. Wait—really quick.
01:59	Sam Parr	Do you remember the joke of Peter Thiel where he said, "You wanted flying cars, but you got 140 characters"? [referring to Twitter's original 140-character limit] This is even worse: "You wanted flying cars; now you can make alarm apps." </FormattedResponse>
02:13	Shaan Puri	"You wanted AI instead; you got a snooze button." By the way, I met the guy who wrote that line for—or I didn't meet him, but I found out who wrote that line for Peter Thiel. Peter Thiel. I'm like...
02:23	Sam Parr	Wait, wait, wait — you met him? Okay. You mistakenly said "you met him" versus "you heard 'I met'".
02:30	Shaan Puri	I met the guy who was like, "That's the guy who wrote that. That's Peter's guy." He comes up with those lines. His job was basically to follow Peter around, listen to what he's saying, and then transform his sentiment into something really punchy. That guy came up with that line, which became the basis for Founders Fund and a rallying cry.
02:52	Sam Parr	That's cool. Well, tell him, "Good job." Alright.
02:55	Shaan Puri	So check this out — easy idea: David Goggins, would you like a million dollars? Because David Goggins today should pay some kid to make the alarm app that's basically a David Goggins–skinned alarm app. I want to wake up with David Goggins just saying, "Wake up, bitch — there's miles to run," and I just want to hear that when I wake up, not, you know, the default alarm sound for my phone.
03:19	Sam Parr	Are there... when is this going live? When... when's this "Alarm Kit" thing? </FormattedResponse>
03:23	Shaan Puri	So they did the developer preview. That's what WWDC is, right? They tell you what's possible and you can start building with it, but it's not available yet to customers. It usually — I think — is just a couple months. It's not very long.
03:34	Sam Parr	"This is low-hanging fruit, my friend. It's a good idea — it's a good idea."
03:38	Shaan Puri	Yeah — this fruit might just be on the ground. Actually, this might be rotting fruit. I'm not entirely sure. Alright, next one we go. By the way, we're totally stealing this gimmick from our boys at TBPN. Shout out to John and Jordy — part of the Brotherhood.
03:53	Sam Parr	But I gave them a shout-out later on. One of my photos—or tweets—is from them, which is pretty funny.
04:00	Shaan Puri	They basically had the true innovation in the podcast industry of printing out the tweets, and we decided that we too shall now print out tweets. But I've been doing Five Three Tuesday for a lot longer than those guys, so I think I'm okay. Alright. This one comes from Chris Bocky. He says: "This is Chris Bocky — banger. In 2022, McKinsey was paid $55,000,000 to advise Warner Brothers when they merged with Discovery. They charged them $37,000,000 by advising them to change HBO to HBO Max, then to Max, then back to HBO Max. And in 2025 they billed them an additional $63,000,000, again to determine that Warner Brothers and Discovery should be separate brands again." </FormattedResponse>
04:41	Sam Parr	Did you see that McKinsey last week laid off 15% of their staff?
04:46	Shaan Puri	Is it because of AI? Because now, AI can do half the job — or what? Why? For sure.
04:50	Sam Parr	Yeah, for sure. This is absolutely insane. What did you say—"you're allergic to a lack of common sense"? This is ridiculous.
04:56	Shaan Puri	This is exactly the sort of lack of common sense I was talking about. This tweet has 70,000 likes, by the way. I don't know if he totally made up these numbers or if these are true, but directionally correct. There were some good reactions to this. Greg — Greg tweeted: "Don't be the problem. Be the solution that creates the problem." That is my takeaway.
05:17	Sam Parr	Yeah, it is pretty ridiculous. Have you ever had friends who have worked at McKinsey?
05:21	Shaan Puri	Yeah, yeah. My buddy Ramin, who I do a bunch of business stuff with, was a former McKinsey guy.
05:27	Sam Parr	They're easy to make fun of because you're like, "What does a 23-year-old know about business?" But I have a friend who worked there, and she had some pretty amazing—basically a PE firm, in her case, identified a bunch of dairy farms that they wanted to roll up. The PE firm bought several of them, and then they hired McKinsey folks to come and figure out how to make the operations more efficient. She literally went to Iowa every single week for about six months and devised interesting changes. For example: "We're going to change the bucket size that the workers use."
05:59	Shaan Puri	Just imagining... Have you seen "Landman"?
06:02	Sam Parr	Yes, yeah.
06:03	Shaan Puri	When the lawyer shows up on the oil field and she's got her high heels stuck in the mud, that's basically what I'm imagining: the McKinsey consultants showing up at the cattle farm.
06:13	Sam Parr	It was kind of great. I learned about this whole experience she had, and there is value that is created from these consultants, even though we like to make fun of them. Have you—did Ramin actually work on anything interesting? Well, they deserve to...
06:24	Shaan Puri	"Be made fun of because they're incredibly smart. They get paid very well, so, you know, that means you're a punching bag, right? Yeah, because that's basically the criteria for..."
06:33	Sam Parr	Oh, it's...
06:33	Shaan Puri	"Free game," right? It's like what a nerd was in middle school — the opposite traits. Like the person you could give a swirly to in junior high would be somebody who's sort of weak and powerless. But when you grow up, you can't make fun of the weak and powerless; you only make fun of the powerful. So yeah, Romaine was like this. Basically, he would tell me things that they would do, and I'm like, "Oh, that's really smart." I was kind of hoping you guys were a bunch of idiots, but actually that sounds pretty good. What I did come away with was: they have huge brains but small balls. That's generally the person who stays in consulting, and that's like a...
07:08	Sam Parr	By the way, the definition of anxiety is when your brain is a lot bigger than your balls. So that's probably why there's a bunch of anxious consultants running around. </FormattedResponse>
07:21	Shaan Puri	"I like how you just — I like how you're just saying something is the definition of, but it's absolutely not the definition of it. That's hilarious. I'm gonna start doing that. Well... you know, the root word of that, and then you just make it up. It's not."
07:35	Sam Parr	Even the root word. Alright, we got a... </FormattedResponse>
07:36	Shaan Puri	A couple more reactions. Our boy Tai Lopez comes in hot off the top, reps a good gig. You know, it's a good scam when Tai Lopez is giving you — giving you respect.
07:46	Sam Parr	Oh, these are all replies to that original one. Okay. I didn't even... I wasn't even following that. Yeah.
07:51	Shaan Puri	We're learning.
07:52	Sam Parr	"That's insane. And what about this one?"
07:54	Shaan Puri	This is the consulting meme: "Consulting — if you're not a part of the solution, there's really good money to be made in prolonging the problem." There's this thing that happens in sports that I've always wanted to be a part of in business. You know, in the UFC they have press conferences where they really talk shit about each other. I always felt like it's the best part. And, you know, I wish business people would do the same. Like, I wish—right now I've gone to the... [sentence unfinished]
08:19	Sam Parr	By the way, they're awesome.
08:20	Shaan Puri	"You've been to the press conferences."
08:22	Sam Parr	I've been once. One time I tried to sneak in when I ran The Hustle. I couldn't get credentials. I was like, "Let me see if I can get credentials to this," and they didn't give them to me. So I showed up anyway, and they kicked me out. I went to the back, sat with the crowd, and watched it. Yeah, it was great.
08:37	Shaan Puri	They didn't respect The Hustle as a newsletter, as a media brand.
08:41	Sam Parr	Dude, The Hustle is the worst name ever. When you're trying to hustle someone—like I was—you know what I mean?
08:49	Shaan Puri	Do you?
08:49	Sam Parr	Know what?
08:49	Shaan Puri	"I mean."
08:50	Sam Parr	It was just some random security guard, and she [said], "My name is John Scam."
08:56	Shaan Puri	"Hoping for you to tell me your Coinbase password."
08:59	Sam Parr	It was the worst. The lady giggled at me — it was a pathetic laugh. So no, I got kicked out. It did not work. But if anyone's listening who works at the UFC: if you and I could get credentialed to go to a UFC event and ask a question, I would do that in a heartbeat. I would take it incredibly seriously.
09:17	Shaan Puri	Arguably, if you take it too seriously, you might ruin the whole event.
09:22	Sam Parr	Alright. I read a ton — I would say almost a book a week. The reason I read so much is because my philosophy towards reading is that I want to see what works for the winners I love and what strategies they use. I also want to see what mistakes they all made, what common flaws they had, and then avoid those. HubSpot asked me to put together a list of the books that have changed my life so far in 2025, and I did that. I listed out seven books that made a meaningful difference in my life. For each, I explained what differences they had on me and what actions I took because of the book. I also listed my very particular ways of reading, because I'm pretty strategic about how I read, how I read so much, and how I remember what I read. I put this together in a very simple guide — seven books that had a huge impact on my life. You can scan the QR code below if you want to read it, or there’s a link in the description. "You guys know what to do" — just go ahead and click it and you'll see the guide that I made. So it's the seven books that had a massive change in my life this year so far, and also how I'm able to read so much. Check it out below. Alright — what's next? Do the Frank Slootman one.
10:31	Shaan Puri	This is actually related to what I was just talking about. So Frank Slootman, who is the [unclear—"the man's band" CEO]. He's the David Goggins of the corporate world. Would you agree?
10:41	Sam Parr	Yeah, I mean, he's pretty baller. He kinda says it like it is. For people who don't know, he took over—he's been CEO of a bunch of companies, but he took over at Snowflake. He has all these famous memos that he wrote on LinkedIn, and it was basically like: > "Don't be a bitch. Work hard." That's how he summarizes everything.
10:56	Shaan Puri	Yeah, but it's a little bit different. He's got this book called Amp It Up, but if you really want, you could just read his blog post called "Amp It Up" and get about 80% of the idea. It's not even just about working hard. It's about picking up the pace, picking up the... there's his basic premise: in every organization there's an incredible amount of slack that's just built up. There's an expectation around timelines, rigor, effort — everything. Another one of those is common sense, and his approach is just to cut through all the bullshit. He has a quote where he's talking about the man in the— you know, that famous "man in the arena" quote.
11:31	Sam Parr	Yeah, I kinda think that quote is super lame now. It's been hijacked by people I don't like.
11:37	Shaan Puri	I know, Jamath — is that what you're saying?
11:39	Sam Parr	Yeah.
11:39	Shaan Puri	Yeah — was "people" a singular word? Alright, here we go. So here's what Frank Slootman says. He says there's lots of people in this world who are not really in the arena. They're either observers, consultants, agents, or VCs that just provide capital. But there are some people who are in the arena — they're very special people. He talks about being asked to speak at a business school where they always ask for his advice. He says, "You all have elite educations. You'll have many job offers paying you big bucks. Your parents and siblings will be incredibly proud of you. But they're all consulting jobs for Bain, McKinsey, and companies like that. You're going to have an easy path to pretty quick earnings, but you'll never know whether you have what it takes to actually build something new." In Roosevelt's words: "You will be those cold and timid souls who'd neither know victory nor defeat." I had actually never read that part of the quote. I thought that part's way colder than the rest of it, you know what I mean?
12:37	Sam Parr	Imagine saying this to a room full of Stanford kids. It's like, "That's... I wonder what that—what do you think the reaction would have been like?"
12:46	Shaan Puri	I think the reaction would have been like, "God, he's so right. After I finish up this first four-year tenure at McKinsey, then I'm totally gonna do that." I think that's the real, true reaction. It's like, "He's so right. I'm not actually gonna rescind—I'm not actually gonna withdraw the job offer. I'll finish up. I'm gonna make sure I get the few years, and then I'm gonna go do that thing someday."
13:05	Sam Parr	I've hung out with, like, my friends' children—or, you know, people who are in the applying-to-college age right now. It's way different than when we were younger. When we were younger, not going to college for a huge majority of people—anyone middle class and up—wasn't even a question. Now it definitely seems like the smart people are saying, "I'm not sure what my... I'm weighing my options. I'm trying to look at all that's available." Have you noticed that?
13:31	Shaan Puri	No. When you say that, are they thinking about trade school or dropping out, or is everything's on the table?
13:37	Sam Parr	Yeah, so, for people are...
13:38	Shaan Puri	Are their parents entrepreneurs, or are they not?
13:41	Sam Parr	The people who I know—let’s say cousins and nephews—are mostly well-to-do, or at least have a household income of $200,000. These are smart kids. Typically, when we were younger, the smart kids—like Sean—always went to college. Now the smart kids are like, "I'm not sure." I've been in contact with a company about just getting an internship right away, at 19 years old. Other people who are less academic—they're not geniuses—are considering trade school. It's not nearly looked at the same way as when I was younger. If you said, "You're going to trade school," it was like, "Is that like punishment for getting in trouble?" Do you know what I mean?
14:21	Shaan Puri	Oh, you’re—yeah.
14:23	Sam Parr	Now, I think there is — there is 100% a change in sentiment. </FormattedResponse>
14:29	Shaan Puri	Well, that's good.
14:29	Sam Parr	I wonder if this whole "MBAs are dumb" thing is a new feeling-ish. That's like Peter Thiel — he was the one who popularized that idea, where he said, "For the valuation of your company, take $1 million off for every MBA employee you have." Now that's popular, and I wonder how the MBA people who are there now — who would hear something like this — feel. Do they acknowledge it, or do they not?
14:52	Shaan Puri	Right. That "bitter tool" quote is, like, how—it's like my parenting style. I'm like, "One more word. One more word and we're not going to the pool for two days." Oh—oh, three days. And I just keep going. I'm just like, "You say one more thing and you lose a little bit more." Do you stick with it? There's all kinds of retrades, dude. I'm—I'm Trump. I'm Trump in the China deal right now. </FormattedResponse>
15:13	Sam Parr	"Wait, you let your kids trade punishments?"
15:15	Shaan Puri	Raise the tariffs, and then there's a temporary pause for extenuating circumstances while we negotiate. We have some really good interactions, and then we start thinking. Then they come back again and do something—you know, they just throw their spaghetti on the floor—and then we're back at a 125% tariff. </FormattedResponse>
15:31	Sam Parr	What age does punishment work? Right now, when they do something I say "no," and it's just like they laugh at me.
15:37	Shaan Puri	They can start to understand cause and effect — or consequences — somewhere between two and three years old. I think you start to get it at a very basic level. But you also have to time it. If the kid is emotionally upset or is feeling something, they're not going to learn the lesson in the moment, especially if they're having a fit. As adults, we tend to try to explain the thing while they're having their meltdown. You have to let the meltdown happen and then have a teaching moment — it has to come after. That's probably true for adults too, but it's very obvious with kids because they're literally melting down.
16:11	Sam Parr	I gotta figure this out, because I've... yeah, I've been trying to, like, punish her — not actually punish her, but be like, "No, you can't do this," right? And I just get laughed at. Alright, read the next one.
16:20	Shaan Puri	Alright — this is one of yours, so it's a David Senra tweet [tweet]. He says Charlie Munger told him to read Les Schwab's autobiography. I'm glad I did because Les says things like this: > "Success in life is being a good husband, a good father, and you end up being a second father to hundreds of other men and women. Last night I attended a wedding of a young man from our office, and the young man told me that two men had influenced his life: his father and me. That's worth more than money."
16:54	Sam Parr	So this guy, Les Schwab, is amazing. I haven't completed his book; I'm in the middle of reading it. But let me tell you about this guy... sorry.
17:01	Shaan Puri	Go to the dumb-dumb question: is Les...? So, there's Charles Schwab.
17:04	Sam Parr	No, there's Charles Schwab.
17:05	Shaan Puri	Okay.
17:06	Sam Parr	He was a hillbilly in Oregon. He was orphaned at the age of 13 or 14. He worked as a plumber and then started a tire shop at the age of 31 or 32. He didn't know anything about tires but started the shop anyway. Eventually, over the course of 50 years, it grew into a multibillion-dollar operation. He's famous for being really great at incentivizing employees and for being very good at managing and leading. Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger looked to stories from him on how to properly lead and incentivize. [Go to the next slide: look at what he looks like.] He was a hillbilly — a from-the-streets type of guy. I've been thinking about how I can describe these types of people because I love them, and I think the best way to describe it is "small-town grit with big-number swagger." Something like that — these are the guys that you and I love, these blue-collar...
18:02	Shaan Puri	So: small-town grit with big-city swagger.
18:05	Sam Parr	No — with big-number swagger, so it's... these guys.
18:08	Shaan Puri	Big-city swagger, right?
18:09	Sam Parr	But what I mean is that they're these kind of hillbillies who build massive companies. For example, one of our friends, Kevin Van Trump, is one of them. You see this guy and he comes off like, "Hey, what's going on, brother? I gotta go write my newsletter." He talks like that, but it turns out he makes about $20 million a year. The people who read his newsletter — Kevin's this big guy from Kansas City — he comes off like a hillbilly because he talks funny, but his work is read by world leaders. He makes $20 million a year, and in the background of his Zoom call is a Picasso. I love guys like this — and he is one of them. Les Schwab started a tire company. He died in his nineties but ran the company up until then. It grew to a multibillion-dollar organization. I want to go to the one — I want to read it. He wrote his own foreword to the book, and I highlighted my two favorite sentences from the foreword. Read that.
19:03	Shaan Puri	Alright, so, as Sarcesus says, this book was mainly written for the 2,000 families that make their living selling less-swabbed tires and for the thousands of families to follow in the next twenty, thirty, forty years. So he says, "This is what you highlighted: I wrote this in November and December 1985. I did write this 100% with my 40-year-old typewriter." I do thank Jan Nolan, my right-hand gal, and Lorraine O'Hara, our word-processing operator, for helping me correct misspelled words and helping me with punctuation. I didn't have a ghostwriter; I wanted it in my own words. Then it basically says, "In this I'm gonna pass on my theories of business to our people," and he says: > "Should we fail to follow these policies towards customers and employees going forward, I would prefer that my name be taken off the business." And then it ends with, he basically says, "If you're not interested in business, this book will bore you, and if I were you, I wouldn't waste my time reading it."
19:55	Sam Parr	How great is that?
19:56	Shaan Puri	How much of a simpleton am I that I'm just like, "Here—you wanna win me? Here you go: push me away."
20:03	Sam Parr	"It's... it's."
20:03	Shaan Puri	All it takes... Oh, you think I won't like this book? Watch me read every word.
20:09	Sam Parr	"It's called."
20:09	Shaan Puri	"I'm already buying a second copy."
20:13	Sam Parr	"Treat them mean, keep them keen."
20:14	Shaan Puri	Yeah, that's.
20:15	Sam Parr	That's all you gotta? Why?
20:16	Shaan Puri	"Am I so easy to manipulate?"
20:18	Sam Parr	How, how beautiful is this guy?
20:21	Shaan Puri	"So, you read this book?"
20:21	Sam Parr	"Is it, like, I'm in the middle of reading it?"
20:23	Shaan Puri	"Yeah, because so far: seven out of ten — fine and forgettable. Eight out of ten — I'll remember the big idea, but that's kind of it; I didn't need 300 pages. Nine out of ten — really enjoyed it; good book. Ten out of ten — I'm giving this book out as gifts. Where is it at?"
20:41	Sam Parr	I'm only a quarter of the way through, and it's between an eight and a nine. Yeah—an eight and a nine. Yeah... quite. And what's...
20:48	Shaan Puri	The big idea so far.
20:50	Sam Parr	He just treats people well, and if you treat people well, you get rewarded in return. It's a very simple thing. As you said, there's a lack of common sense. He's a very common-sense, rational person. Often, "rational" means cold, but he is rational—and warm.
21:08	Shaan Puri	Rational—okay, that's cool. That's a good insight, because the start of your answer was kind of boring, but the end of your answer was fire. That was good.
21:14	Sam Parr	So it's sort of like his original quote, which was: "I went to... I became a father to all these people, and I go to their weddings, and that makes me feel great." That is a rational thing to say, and it is warm. Versus, you know, what a McKinsey consultant would say, which is: "It's all just about these numbers on a spreadsheet." That is also rational, but it's rational cold. </FormattedResponse>
21:30	Shaan Puri	Yes. So—honest question: do you think that you—kind of—are doing that? Do you think you have a fatherly influence, or an influence on other men? Is that something you think is true or take pride in? Are you like, “Yes, I need to double down on that from this podcast”? Remember when we were at that dinner—you weren't there, but I was—and I told you about it. This guy came up at the end of the dinner and said, “Hey, sorry, I wanted to say hi. I saw you guys over here; I didn't want to bother you.” He explained that he always asks people, “What do you really like about the podcast? What has stood out to you? What's helped you?” He basically said, “Me and my girlfriend got pregnant. We didn't plan on that, but hearing you and Sam talk about how fun it is to have kids and build your business—and that they're not like either-or's—nudged me toward deciding, like, we should keep this. We should do this.” I remember thinking, whoa—that's a lot of responsibility, a lot of weight on the words—that I didn't really think about. Do you feel like that?
22:28	Sam Parr	Yeah, I do. I think it's hard to feel that way because if people knew how we record this, we're just in our rooms by ourselves, talking to each other on a screen. It's hard to feel a presence. I view this podcast—and my company—a little differently. I see them as a very tiny way to decide the life I want to live with others and to make that reality in my small corner of the world. I also think about being perceived as a role model. I don't even remotely like saying this, but when LeBron James or some famous athlete does something and says, "I didn't sign up to be a role model," I think about that all the time. I used to tweet things that were a little mean and think, "I don't care if this influences people; this is just me, this is just my opinion." Now I feel the weight of that. I want to make sure I'm right about things and not hateful.
23:13	Shaan Puri	Right, right. And, you know, the best thing about a podcast is that it feels like I'm just talking to you and we're just goofing off here, and there's only two of us. But let's say this episode—on average, these episodes get 300,000 people listening to them. I mean, that's bigger than the biggest college football stadiums. If we were sitting on the 50-yard line and there were three stadiums stacked on top of that, it'd be like almost three or four stadiums of people stacked on top of each other. Do you know how differently we would do this? It would suck. I would be so nervous and thinking about every word, and the show would honestly suck if it felt that way. One of the real blessings is that that's not the case—you don't know it; you're blind to it.
23:57	Sam Parr	We rarely record in real life. One time that we did, the studio manager — a woman who was really attractive — was there. I noticed that one time one of us (or maybe I forget who) said something that made her laugh. I thought, "Oh, that felt nice. I want to make you laugh again." Then she didn't laugh, and I thought, "That didn't feel good." I started performing really poorly. I realized I can't handle the presence of one person, let alone 300,000 in real life.
24:30	Shaan Puri	That's crazy. Alright — next story I want to show you. Did you see this? Did you see this tweet? No? Here — here's what it says. So, this is from Restructuring, which is a good account, by the way. Do you follow this account?
24:42	Sam Parr	No. Is this all about companies that have gone out of business?
24:45	Shaan Puri	"No, it's kind of like PE [private equity] — it's like a PE-type account. They treat private equity–type stuff, anyway."
24:54	Sam Parr	We talked about this a while ago, I believe, didn't we?
24:57	Shaan Puri	So, I think we mentioned it, but I didn't—I didn't know the story. The headline here is: "Man steals $122,000,000 from Facebook and Google simply by sending them random bills which they agreed to pay."
25:09	Sam Parr	Why is that a crime? Why is...
25:10	Shaan Puri	That a crime? Exactly. This—the tweet here—is: "This remains my favorite path to wealth: exploiting the big company inefficiencies should not be legal." I agree. "All's fair in love and war." If I send you an invoice and you pay it, am I at fault? Or you—hold on—what's going on here? But there is a little more to the story. So, have you read about how this actually worked?
25:35	Sam Parr	No. Well, wasn't he legitimately a vendor for them?
25:39	Shaan Puri	Okay, so here's the story. There's a 50-year-old man — the guy who's in cuffs — who was impersonating a company. There was a legitimate company called Quanta Computer that was a vendor for Facebook and Google. He set up a company also called Quanta Computer, but based it out of Latvia. He copied the same company name and the same logo, but incorporated it in a different country. He started making fake invoices, contracts, letters, corporate stamps, and corporate seals, and he sent these to Facebook and Google for over two years. He was paid out $122,000,000 across the two companies: $98,000,000 from Facebook and $23,000,000 from Google. They then found him in Latvia and extradited him. The U.S. attorney said: > "Rimasauskas thought he could hide behind a computer screen halfway across the world while he conducted his fraudulent scheme
27:12	Sam Parr	What conversation do you have with your wife or your... like, "So, what do you do? What do you do, a guy? How's it?"
27:18	Shaan Puri	Work today.
27:19	Sam Parr	I kinda wanna get him on the pod.
27:23	Shaan Puri	Jail pod — a rare category of "illegal but impressive." No.
27:27	Sam Parr	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which — like — it's the Bernie Madoff scheme: not cool and impressive. You know what I mean? I wanna... I wanna learn more about it.
27:37	Shaan Puri	Right, right. And if you judge us for saying "impressive and illegal"—it's like, do you like Ocean's Eleven? Because those guys are right here, rooting for the people who are robbing. Anyway, here we go. So what else do we have? Oh—I have something here on ChatGPT. Have you seen this?
27:54	Sam Parr	Okay, so ChatGPT's product-retention curves are a product manager's wet dream. Their one-month retention has skyrocketed from less than 60% two years ago to an unprecedented 90%. YouTube was best-in-class with 85%. ChatGPT's six-month retention is trending toward 80% and rapidly rising — a generational product.
28:17	Shaan Puri	Okay, so this little line chart — if you don't recognize it, imagine a hospital heart monitor: the heartbeat line that has to keep beeping for the patient to be good. This is the equivalent for a company. What this is, is a retention curve. The line at the very bottom here would be the oldest cohort — people who signed up for ChatGPT two years ago. It starts at 100% usage on day zero (or month zero). By month one it's at 60%. By month two only 55% are still using it. By the time you get to a year, it looks like less than 30% of people are still using the product. That means more than two-thirds of people stopped using it after they tried it. That's the sign of a product that won't win as-is, because the bucket is too leaky: you're getting many customers in who then churn out; they aren't finding value in the product. The other lines on the chart are the next cohorts (the next month, the next month, etc.). As they improve the product, you can see the drop-offs are much smaller. Now the one-month retention is around 90% — people are finding so much value in the first month that a month later 90% of them are still using it. Retention is the key metric for most businesses. It's what tells you if your business will be around for a long time or if it's just a leaky bucket. Seeing this with ChatGPT is pretty stunning. That leads into my next point: OpenAI is now at $10 billion in ARR [ARR = annual recurring revenue]. That's 2x since 2024 — they basically doubled revenue from $5 billion to $10 billion. It's been less than three years since it launched, so in under three years they've grown this product to $10 billion in recurring revenue, which is just stunning. It highlighted one big takeaway for me: OpenAI is the Facebook of this current generation.
30:22	Sam Parr	Maybe more.
30:23	Shaan Puri	Twenty years ago it was Google and Amazon that were the big deal — that was it. Thirty years ago it was Microsoft. Fifteen years ago or so was the Facebook era. Facebook was the thing: it was a billion-dollar company, a $10 billion company, and now it's a trillion-dollar company. Well, the one right now is OpenAI. For the next decade we're just going to — you and I are probably going to look at ourselves and be like, "How are we doing this podcast? How are we looking at these tweets, these charts?" and just think, "Why didn't we go buy OpenAI stock? How dumb do we have to be?" It was on Sarah's list three years ago or something like that.
31:02	Sam Parr	Wait—was it really? Did we talk about it then?
31:03	Shaan Puri	Maybe not three, but two for sure. I think the very first "Sarah's List" episode we probably had them on there, and I was like, "What kind of doofuses are we that we don't own any of this stock?"
31:13	Sam Parr	Can you own it?
31:15	Shaan Puri	"Yeah, you can buy it in secondary [secondary market]."
31:17	Sam Parr	I had a buddy of mine about two to three years ago. He was at my house — you know who this guy is — and we were talking. He said, "I have a job offer from Neuralink and OpenAI." I was like, "Wow, those are both pretty promising. What do you —?" He asked, "What should I do?" We had a conversation about it. I didn't know anything. At the time it was really hard: they're both run by tycoons, they're both really interesting, and they're both the hot startup. He chose OpenAI, and he has made so much money — tens of millions of dollars in two and a half to three years — just from being the 1,000th employee or something like that. It's just astounding how big this is.
32:03	Shaan Puri	And what is his job? He's not like those kind of rare AI PhD–type dudes, right? Is he a pro, a programmer, or a product person?
32:12	Sam Parr	"What — what's this? What's the role: product person?" "Yeah. Product person." "Dude… any—sorry, sorry — programmer. He's a programmer." "Oh, okay. Massive difference." "Yeah, I was gonna say."
32:23	Shaan Puri	If you're a product guy and you make tens of millions of dollars at OpenAI, how's that even possible if you're just, like, a random engineer? Okay, I guess I can see it. You get a stock package that's worth $2,000,000 over four years, but you got it when OpenAI was valued at $60 billion and now it's valued at $400 billion. So it's up, you know, eight times or something like that. Your $2,000,000 stock package has turned out to actually be a $16,000,000 stock package. It's crazy that that's a normal thing that happens. That's happened to, like, a thousand people right now—or more—in a 30-mile radius of where I live.
33:01	Sam Parr	Harley from Shopify was on the pod. At one point they were worth $250 billion, and I think when we recorded with them they were worth $150 billion. It's basically the hundredth-largest company in the world right now, which means it's probably the hundredth most valuable company ever created. That's an astounding number to think about. OpenAI is a decade old or something like that, and it is already like the fiftieth or twenty-fifth largest company ever created. Isn't that astounding? Not even from a product or technology perspective, but literally—how do you organize that? How do you organize the people who work there, organize the investors? Just the organizational side... You know, they talk about China building a fast railroad in six months—you've heard those stories. It's sort of fascinating like that.
34:04	Shaan Puri	It's definitely the number-one most valuable nonprofit ever.
34:08	Sam Parr	Is it still really a nonprofit?</FormattedResponse>
34:10	Shaan Puri	I think so.
34:11	Sam Parr	And he said they're not gonna. He also said they're not going to make a profit until they hit—what did he say? He goes, "We can't make a profit until we get to 10 billion in revenue."
34:18	Shaan Puri	Or something. Remember my thing earlier about, like, "just push me away"? The investor thing was basically: "Listen, we have to put a cap—a 100x cap—on your returns because this is gonna get bananas."
34:28	Sam Parr	So, when we move.
34:30	Shaan Puri	Dude, that pitch — the balls it takes to have that as your pitch. It's like, instead of promising upside, saying, "Listen, we're gonna need to cap your upside because it's gonna be so insane how much value we create, so I just need to make sure you're okay with that." I'm gonna start using that. Just so you can... I'm gonna start using that form of formula in my life.
34:53	Sam Parr	Skip to the Elon one, yeah.
34:57	Shaan Puri	Alright. Why don't you frame this one up? Alright, so...
35:01	Sam Parr	Breaking news: President Trump comments on Elon Musk's apology. I thought it was very nice that he said that. Trump says—and Elon Musk has a tweet that says: > "I regret some of the posts about President Trump last week. They went too far. This is insane. You can't do that and apologize." You don't apologize like, "Dude, if I called you a pedophile or a rapist in front of literally the entire world..."
35:34	Shaan Puri	Right.
35:35	Sam Parr	"I can't say I'm sorry."
35:38	Shaan Puri	No, there's no—sorry. Big enough, you're saying?
35:40	Sam Parr	Dude, what? Genghis Khan doesn't apologize. Like, when you do... can you imagine Napoleon being like, "Hey, that one—it went a little far. Do you wanna, like, shake it out?"
35:51	Shaan Puri	Oh, you're saying conquerors can't apologize? That's the take.</FormattedResponse>
35:54	Sam Parr	That was such a crazy thing to do and say. He tweeted it out very casually, where he said: > "Have a nice day, Donald Trump."
36:03	Shaan Puri	Like... do?
36:03	Sam Parr	"You know, I mean, it was... it was such a dagger. You can't apologize for that. I... I don't see how you can come back from that, and I don't see why you would even try, right?"
36:14	Shaan Puri	Well, I could see why you would try. Which is, like—you know—there's no winners at war, basically. That's what's going to happen here with these guys fighting, but...
36:22	Sam Parr	"And then, look at the next one."
36:24	Shaan Puri	Dude, the next one.
36:26	Sam Parr	Knows I love him.</FormattedResponse>
36:28	Shaan Puri	No, no — hold on. I'm open to Rick reconciling with Elon after seeing his latest post. Elon knows I love him. JD knows this too. That's just hilarious, by the way. I don't even know why that's in there — JD knows this too. I give the best and biggest reconciliations; everybody knows this. That is incredible. I don't even know if this is fake, by the way. This could totally be a fake Truth Social post, because there's nothing easier to fake than a Truth Social post. Nobody I know has an account on there, so you could just write anything and make me think that he posted that. He might have said it—he could totally have said this. But dude, how funny is this: "Elon knows I love him. JD knows this too." What's that?
37:06	Sam Parr	I don't know. I think it's because JD was on Theo Von's podcast, talking about it.
37:12	Shaan Puri	I mean, are they not talking day-to-day? And then he goes, "I give the biggest and best reconciliation." </FormattedResponse>
37:17	Sam Parr	Dude, it's insane, man.
37:19	Shaan Puri	Melania knows this.
37:22	Sam Parr	It's insane, man. It's just crazy. This is a reality show. This is...
37:26	Shaan Puri	By the way, we need to clip the part of you calling this on the podcast — when you said they would break up. You were like, "How long do you give this?" and I think the answer was "a couple months or something." I was like, "What? I don't know." They're both pretty all-in on each other. It seems like it's going to be really hard — it'd be really messy if they tried to break this off. And you're like, "Rule number one from The 48 Laws of Power," right? Is that what you were quoting? You were like, "Never outshine the master."
37:49	Sam Parr	"Yeah, and I also said they're going to break up in June. I said it's only going to last until June."
37:55	Shaan Puri	"Wow. Frankly, what a waste of an incredible prediction. Yeah."
37:59	Sam Parr	I mean, this is like being the tallest midget — it's not that interesting. But it was a very easy prediction. We knew they were going to have a falling out, and I had, you know, an 8% chance of guessing the month. It was very predictable. This was sort of one of those moments where I remember where I was when it happened. I saw that tweet. We were — my company had a meeting — and everyone said, "Oh my God." It was pretty crazy how Elon and Trump fighting brought down the stock market. "Did you see that?" It was absolutely ridiculous that my finances were impacted by this spat, and I thought that was kinda funny.
38:39	Shaan Puri	It was a wild day. The memes that day were incredible. I think I tweeted that out. I was like, "Listen: this is a sad day for America, but the content is outstanding right now." Let's talk self-driving real quick. Self-driving cars are on fire in LA; the rioters are beating up the self-driving cars. I'm not sure exactly why. But I like this one from Andrew Ackerman: [unclear phrase: "knotted at the Waymo in downtown DC"] — so it would know, "I'm one of the good ones."
39:04	Sam Parr	Have you developed a relationship with your AI?
39:07	Shaan Puri	I mean, I don't like to say that, but yeah.
39:09	Sam Parr	My ChatGPT voice changed — the talking voice — and I felt uncomfortable talking to her because I'd gotten close to the other one, Sarah. I had to change it back. He's joking, but not really.
39:25	Shaan Puri	Right. I mean, this is kind of like—sometimes I pray to God even though I don't believe, but just in case. There's definitely an element of that with AI, where I'm like, "I'm gonna say please and thank you,"... just in case things get a little crazy.
39:41	Sam Parr	Have you taken away Mo?
39:43	Shaan Puri	Yeah, they're amazing. Have you?
39:45	Sam Parr	No, they don't have them in Connecticut. It's not exactly the best place to try it out, but no—I think they're amazing. Everyone says they're amazing. Go to that one. Go to the Eric one. I think this is an inspirational one, so check this out. I met Eric. Eric's the CEO of a company called Ramp, which has grown to a $6 billion valuation in four or five years. He was telling me about TBPN—what is it called? TBPN—what does it stand for? The Tech Bros Podcast Network. </FormattedResponse>
40:17	Shaan Puri	I don't know what that actually stands for. They tried to change it so it's not "Bro Technology Brothers" — I think it's called "The Business Podcast" now. I think that's what they changed it to, but it'll always Technology Brothers to me.
40:27	Sam Parr	Go on. So it's this guy named Jordy and John Coogan. They're fantastic. They have this new podcast — it's more like a daily news show, not even a podcast but a video show.
40:37	Shaan Puri	It's not even a show. It's basically that they do stuff, but you don't even need to watch the show — it's all clips for Twitter. So it's like Twitter: short shorts and clips; that's what they make.
40:49	Sam Parr	They’re hilarious. I was at Eric’s office and I asked, “What’s this?” It was a little booklet. Apparently they had made a 20-page book that they sent to potential sponsors—like a “be our sponsor” pitch—because they wanted to get a big check. I turned the page and on one of them was this piece of copy in the deck. It said: > "Our hope is that this partnership is the domino that bankrupts your competitors and grants you a monopoly so powerful that you are dragged in front of Congress." I read that line and thought, “That is the greatest opening line for a pitch deck that I’ve ever read.” It was fantastic. I read it aloud and joked with Eric, “It’s the greatest thing I’ve ever read.” It made him giggle, so I guess he shared it. It’s wonderful—how good is that?
41:43	Shaan Puri	Dude, they're so fucking good — I love those guys. Also, I have a funny Eric story. I met Eric when I was in college, and we both got picked for this trip to go to the Alibaba headquarters. It was a free, all-expenses-paid trip to China courtesy of Jack Ma for 50 of the top college entrepreneurs. I was on this bus and Eric was right next to me. Nice guy — he was kind of baby-faced at the time. I don't know if he still is. You said you met him in person, but... </FormattedResponse>
42:14	Sam Parr	Yeah, he's like—he doesn't come off like a tycoon. He comes off as very kind and warm. Yeah, he's lovely. </FormattedResponse>
42:20	Shaan Puri	And at the time, I think he was literally in an MLM. I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure he was selling products that were part of, like, an MLM—sort of skateboard... or he was. I don't remember exactly.
42:35	Sam Parr	Essential oils.
42:36	Shaan Puri	It was like creams or something like that, and I'm vaguely remembering this, so I could totally be wrong. Sorry, Eric, if I got some of the details wrong. But I swear if it's not that, it's in the zip code. I just remember thinking, "Oh, this guy's kind of cool—he's a hustler, really nice guy. I don't know what he's doing with these... whatever it was, creams, or whatever he was doing at the time." Then I've seen him build Ramp, and I'm like, "Is that the dude from the bus in China who was trying to sell me creams?" It just goes to show—anything is possible.
43:06	Sam Parr	Dude, when I talked to him it was him and his partner. It was me, David Senra, Eric, and then Eric's partner—all in a room. We were just riffing and hanging out. I wanted to meet up with David because he's a buddy of mine. He goes, "Hey, I'm gonna be hanging out at Ramp's office if you want to come see me. It's right down the street from your office." So I go to see him, and I walk in and it's these guys. It was pretty cool. The partner/cofounder of Ramp, Kareem, told me this story. He said, "Yeah, we had this idea and our goal was to become — we wanted to get to a $1 billion valuation in 12 months. That was the goal, and we did the math and we thought that was possible." I was flabbergasted. I was like, "What? Did you hit it?" He goes, "No, man, we didn't hit it — it took like 18 months." It was just really cool to be in a room of people who thought that kind of craziness, and it actually worked.
43:56	Shaan Puri	Well, what's crazy is I think they were a massive underdog when they started. If you remember back when they were early, Brex was already out—and Early as well—and Brex was the San Francisco–based company. Ramp is in New York. Brex had the YC network and connections; they went through YC, and all the YC companies were kind of... YC is this network effect, this little "mafia" that can king‑make certain companies if you get enough momentum. I just remember I would have bet—the betting odds were—that Brex, given those advantages, given that they're the San Francisco, tech‑focused one, was the New York startup really going to beat the Silicon Valley startup? It didn't really seem like that was usually the case.
44:39	Sam Parr	And they had ads everywhere—Brexit.
44:41	Shaan Puri	They were advertising everywhere. They were a hot name; they were NYC — they had a lot of things that would have made you think they would be the winner here. Ramp has thoroughly kicked the shit out of Brex. They're worth way more and have done a much better job. I use Ramp — it's a great product. So, that is very impressive to me. I think that is not how I would have guessed that would have played out.
45:01	Sam Parr	100% — I agree with you. Apparently the story is that they ran a company called Paribus, which is something like an online rebate service. You buy something and they help you find a deal: you get a little bit of money back and the brand saves a little bit of money. For example, if it's $100, you pay $90 and they give you a little bit of cash back. They sold the company after three years for $40 or $50 million, and he was like, "It was nice — we got a lot wrong." When we sold it, we sold it to Capital One, and at Capital One we learned about the demand for all these things: the demand for a good bank account system and the demand for all the business services that people needed. We ran the math because we saw how big Capital One was, and we thought that we could build a $1 billion company in the first year if we did one or two things right. It was amazing to hear that story.
45:53	Shaan Puri	That's pretty cool. We should get Eric on that—would be... well, he should come on and tell...
45:56	Sam Parr	I'm working with them on it. They have this huge event. Basically, what they're doing doesn't sound like it would work, but it's working. They're doing all this goodwill stuff—sponsoring podcasts. They have a huge office that seats 300 people, and they just host events there. People are like, "But what's the attribution to that?" and it's like, "I don't know," but it somehow still works.
46:21	Shaan Puri	Okay, we gotta do one here. This is—oh no, hold on, my text is gone. But I have a new segment: "Sam — Rich Guy House Alert."
46:33	Sam Parr	"What happened?"
46:35	Shaan Puri	Alright. I saw a tweet about some event — I think it was for San Francisco, kind of a local policy thing. I was like, "Okay, cool, whatever." Hundreds of people went to this San Francisco policy event. Then somebody pointed out that the tweet said, "Overwhelmed with the standing-room-only crowd at Gary Tan's house." I just started thinking, Gary Tan's house. I saw the tweet that said, "This is Gary Tan's house — big ass house."
46:59	Sam Parr	Dude, Gary Tan told us he lived in a neighborhood of the city of San Francisco. Yeah.</FormattedResponse>
47:03	Shaan Puri	We're gonna try—try not to dox him. Although he said he came in and he goes, "Hell yeah, it is my house and this is the house." So, have you seen this? It is an old church.
47:13	Sam Parr	I remember that—yeah, across the street from Dolores Park.
47:15	Shaan Puri	Yeah, exactly. He lives at—he owns this place called the Lighthouse. It's a townhouse-condo in a 100-year-old restored church, right across from Dolores. It's four bedrooms and three bathrooms, but it has 30-foot ceilings. Crazy. Look at this house, dude.
47:28	Sam Parr	Wait—does he live there, or is that an event space? </FormattedResponse>
47:32	Shaan Puri	He owns it. I don't know if he lives there full-time. I, you know... I don't want to comment on that. But how insane is this? I've always — I've always dreamed of doing this: buying an old church. Old churches sometimes have amazing locations and really unique bones and structure. I didn't know you could convert them to housing, so this is kind of interesting. But, dude, how crazy is this house?
47:51	Sam Parr	I remember when this was for sale in San Francisco. I still lived there, and I remember it being for sale. I also remember there was another person—well, not living there, but another rich guy who was using it for events. They put it up for sale, and I'm amazed that he bought it. This looks awesome—oh my God.
48:11	Shaan Puri	Look at this bedroom, dude. I don't want a steel cage. I don't want "pretty sick."
48:18	Sam Parr	Yeah, I don't — I don't want that, you know. If I was like Brock Lesnar or someone really hardcore like that, it looks cool, but...
48:30	Shaan Puri	When you watch too much WWE, you're like, "Fuck it — Hell in a Cell bedroom." Look, look.
48:36	Sam Parr	I'm not a tough guy. I'm not—I'm not Brock Lesnar.
48:39	Shaan Puri	I mean, how hardcore is this bedroom, dude? This is amazing. I love how he's got the plush carpet right outside — like a waiting-room lobby before you enter the bed zone. Alright, do we want to do any more, or are we out?
48:53	Sam Parr	Oh, yeah — two more. I want to show you guys my oldest bookmark from the year 2018.
49:00	Shaan Puri	Alright, here we go. Alright, so, in preparation for this podcast, Sam was like, "Cool — let me just go look at my Twitter bookmarks and see what good tweets I have." And you found this: your first ever bookmark. Is this from 2018? </FormattedResponse>
49:11	Sam Parr	Yep.
49:14	Shaan Puri	What is this?
49:16	Sam Parr	So, is this group of Kenyan men—the Samburu men—described like this? Yeah, because there's people...
49:23	Shaan Puri	"If you're listening to this only on audio — by the way, you've been listening on audio the whole time — please go to YouTube and watch this. This whole thing works if you see the tweets."
49:32	Sam Parr	Do you remember that movie with Kevin Bacon where he went to Africa to play basketball and found this tribe of really tall guys? They would jump up and wear very traditional clothing—what you would think of as an African tribesperson: shirtless, with amazing beads, and red hair, just like the guy in the movie. That's what this is. It's a group of guys in Kenya, and the tweet says that these men are often considered to be "the most stylish men on the planet." It's a photo of these guys, so look.
50:03	Shaan Puri	"Honestly, agreed. First of all, the account is called at Kenya Pics. Is that an account you just follow?"
50:09	Sam Parr	Yeah, I love Kenya because I like runners. My goal has always been to go to the Rift Valley, which is an area of Kenya, and see Kenyan runners. I've always admired running. Particularly, there's this group — imagine a small town, like your town or a suburb — and something like 90% of the distance-running gold medals have been won by this group of about 10,000 people in Kenya. That has always fascinated me, and I've always wanted to go and see these guys. They're from a nearby tribe.
50:49	Shaan Puri	The post just says "#International Men's Day." That was cool — back when hashtags were a thing. There's also a picture of a guy jumping. He's easily 5 feet off the ground. I don't know how this is — is this photoshopped? This is incredible. What is this?
51:02	Sam Parr	No, I don't. I don't know what that is. I don't know... I don't know that much about Ken yet, but it looks dope to me.
51:08	Shaan Puri	Yeah, yeah.</FormattedResponse>
51:10	Sam Parr	"What about the Theo Von one? Let's see that last one."
51:14	Shaan Puri	So it's a picture of Theo Von smiling, like how my son does when we try to get him to take a picture. He's with Ivanka Trump — who's that, Jared, right?
51:24	Sam Parr	Yeah. Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump — and he says, "Y'all's posture is so good. What the hell, are y'all in Spine Club or something?" I'm built like a damn raccoon. Thanks for the hospitality. Had a blast. It's pretty amazing, dude. You and I — okay, so when Sean and I started this podcast, Sean started it and then I joined a little bit later. I asked, "Do you like Fighter and the Kid?" Sean was like, "I love Fighter and the Kid." Fighter and the Kid isn't as popular anymore, but it was two guys, Brendan Schaub and Bryan Callen, who would talk about UFC fighting. Their friend Theo Von would occasionally come on the pod. He was just a guy — he was a character on the pod — and that slowly developed. They had another pod together called King and the Sting, and he rose further and further. Dude, look at him now — he's talking to the president, the vice president; he's hanging out with these guys. How crazy of a career has Theo had in the last decade? It's amazing.
52:26	Shaan Puri	His rise is pretty crazy. I actually knew him from when he was on Road Rules twenty years ago, because I liked Real World, Road Rules, and The Challenge. So yeah — it's pretty wild to see the crazy growth. But even more wild is this. This is what I appreciate about the tweet: it's funny, but do you know how hard it is as a man to put up a thank-you or congratulatory post without being lame? Theo did it. You know what I mean? Think about what this post is. If you just posted, "Had such a good time at brunch," dude — that's the lamest thing you could possibly do. But to go with this: "Y'all's posture is so good, what the hell y'all in spine club or something?" — that's how it's done. I'm studying the art of how men can express themselves while still being cool about it.
53:16	Sam Parr	Dude, he's the best. He's one of the few podcasters that I listen to. I listen to him and Tim — Tim Dillon. Have you ever listened to him, Tim Dillon?
53:22	Shaan Puri	I'm not a huge Tim Dillon guy.
53:24	Sam Parr	But he—it's an acquired taste.
53:25	Shaan Puri	Yeah, yeah.
53:26	Sam Parr	It's very much an acquired taste. It took me about two years to get into them. They're pretty raunchy. These guys are like my two favorite podcasters right now. It's pretty amazing how good they are.
53:37	Shaan Puri	By the way, on the same subject, I have a Father's Day post idea for you. I think we should close out with this one. It may have to be presented with "no comment," but I thought this might be a... [trails off]
53:46	Sam Parr	Good one for.</FormattedResponse>
53:46	Shaan Puri	You to post this weekend.
53:52	Sam Parr	"Yeah, that's gonna be a no for me, dawg."
53:56	Shaan Puri	Alright, that's it. That's the pod.

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